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12R Engine does not start Joe 04/5/12(水) 21:14
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┃┗ Re(2):12R Engine does not start よこやん 04/5/12(水) 22:29
┣ Re(1):12R Engine does not start 森野　熊三 04/5/13(木) 7:34
┣ Re(1):12R Engine does not start Joe 04/5/13(木) 9:49
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┗ Re(1):12R Engine does not start 匿名 04/5/14(金) 0:50
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 Joe E-MAIL  - 04/5/12(水) 21:14 -
  
Hello,

I can't speak Japanese. Sorry.

I have 12R '00 ML but engine 3rd cylinder broken.

I guess the reason was that I changed Akrapovic Evo without any fuel/ air tuning.

Anyway, then I bought '01 12R ML engine only and put that engine on the '00 12R body.

But the engine doesn't start. spark plug works well. gasoline runs through well.

ECU and　speedometer is '00 model. only engine is '01 ML engine.

What do I have to check?

Thank you so much for your help in advance.

Arigato.

Joe
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 R-1  - 04/5/12(水) 21:20 -
  
▼Joeさんwrote:に返信
翻訳ソフトで、和訳してみましたが、意味がよくわかりません。
どなたか回答よろしく！
>Hello,
>
>I can't speak Japanese. Sorry.
>
>I have 12R '00 ML but engine 3rd cylinder broken.
>
>I guess the reason was that I changed Akrapovic Evo without any fuel/ air tuning.
>
>Anyway, then I bought '01 12R ML engine only and put that engine on the '00 12R body.
>
>But the engine doesn't start. spark plug works well. gasoline runs through well.
>
>ECU and　speedometer is '00 model. only engine is '01 ML engine.
>
>What do I have to check?
>
>Thank you so much for your help in advance.
>
>Arigato.
>
>Joe
こんにちは

私は日本語を話すことができない。 すみません。

私は12Rの'00のMLにもかかわらず、エンジン第3シリンダを壊される。

私は、理由が私がAkrapovic Evoを少しもfuel/空気調律なしで変えたということであったと推測する。

次に私がとにかく'01 12R MLエンジンだけを買って、そのエンジンを置いた、'00 12Rボディー。

しかし、エンジンは扱わない。start.スパーク・プラグはガソリンが上手に貫くwell.を扱う。

ECUと速度計は'唯一のエンジンが00model.である'01MLエンジンである。

私は何をチェックしなければならないか?

あらかじめ、あなたの助けをありがとうございます。

Arigato。

ジョー
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 爆走？！中年  - 04/5/12(水) 22:14 -
  
▼R-1さんwrote:に返信
>▼Joeさんwrote:に返信
>翻訳ソフトで、和訳してみましたが、意味がよくわかりません。
>どなたか回答よろしく！
>>Hello,
>>
>>I can't speak Japanese. Sorry.
>>
>>I have 12R '00 ML but engine 3rd cylinder broken.
>>
>>I guess the reason was that I changed Akrapovic Evo without any fuel/ air tuning.
>>
>>Anyway, then I bought '01 12R ML engine only and put that engine on the '00 12R body.
>>
>>But the engine doesn't start. spark plug works well. gasoline runs through well.
>>
>>ECU and　speedometer is '00 model. only engine is '01 ML engine.
>>
>>What do I have to check?
>>
>>Thank you so much for your help in advance.
>>
>>Arigato.
>>
>>Joe
>こんにちは、私は日本語を話すことができません。残念です。私は12R'00 MLの第3のシリンダを故障したエンジンを持っています。私は、理由が、私が燃料/空気チューニングのないAkrapovic Evoを変更したということだったと推測します。とにかく、その後、私は'01年の12R MLエンジンのみ買いました。また'00年の12Rの車体にそのエンジンをのせ換えましたがエンジンはかかりません。点火プラグ火花は出ます。ガソリンの流れは通り抜けます。ECUと速度計は'00年のモデルです。エンジンだけが'01年です、MLエンジン。私は何をチェックすれば良いでしょうか。前もってあなたの支援に非常に感謝します。Arigato。ジョー

という意味ではないでしょうか？
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 よこやん  - 04/5/12(水) 22:29 -
  
察するに

００のマレーシア仕様のエンジンが壊れたので
０１のマレーシア仕様のエンジンが手に入ったので換装しましたＥＣＵとメーターは００のままです
ところがプラグから火は出てるのですがエンジンが回りませんどこを見たらいいのでしょうか？

って感じなのかな？

ところで０１と００ってハーネス違わなかったっけ？
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 森野　熊三  - 04/5/13(木) 7:34 -
  
▼Joeさんwrote:に返信
Hello!　Joe
I think that it is serious your care.

By the way, where are you the country where lives?　
I think that it is a good case to consult with Dealer of KAWASAKI if the place where you live is USA.　
If you are living in the interior I will had better consult it with ARK, Dealer of KAWASAKI in Japan.　

If a few of the place where I understand conveys a/the cam shaft differs.　I think that the engine is not linked because the protrusion for the sensor that is in it is changing the timing of ignition.　
I recommend that compares the parts listing if you do want know more.　

Then, I am hoping what you make efforts.

森野　熊三　from Japan
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 Joe  - 04/5/13(木) 9:49 -
  
Thank you so much for you gentlemen support.

Well, I am in Korea. it' poor to get good service in Korea for my big Ninja T.T

I tried '01 ECU for '00 body. But connector is different. So, I try to get '01 main harness.

I check "ignition rotor" '00 and '01 is same.

I may have to check Speedometer? I mean I have to change '01 speedometer instead of '00 speedometer?

Anyway, I will do change '01 main harness for using '01 ECU.


By the way, gentlemen, what do you think 3rd piston came out of cylinder. The piston was melt down. The cylinder block was cracked.　What about my guess? without Air/Fuel setting,exhaust tunning(Akra EVO) effects this engine blowing?

I thank god to make me survive. On 200km/h speed, Boom and engine oil leaked out. But, no crash, I made my big ninja stop safely.

I really appreciate you gentlemen's advice and help.

Joe
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 Joe  - 04/5/13(木) 9:59 -
  
Now big Ninja condition;

When start button pushing, engine is runing(exactly moving) But, no igniting. unfired gas comes out from exhaust. Smell has much gasoline smell.

And then, spark plug is wet. Someting electrical problem I guess.

Thank you for your attention.

Joe
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 爆走?!  - 04/5/13(木) 11:05 -
  
▼Joeさんwrote:に返信
How do you do, is it living in JOE and South Korea?
2001, there will be change of ECU.
It is because regulation equipments (limiter), such as the maximum high speed, were added.
Therefore, I think that the electric signal of ignition timing besides the concentration of fuel is changed.
Moreover, I think that wiring etc. has change.
Is the repair special factory of KAWASAKI located in South Korea?
If it is, I will think it good to consult there.
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 匿名  - 04/5/14(金) 0:50 -
  
日本語読めないで良くもトラブルのとこに辿り着けたね！
もしかして日本語は読めるのかな？

Good luck to you!☆


▼Joeさんwrote:に返信
>Hello,
>
>I can't speak Japanese. Sorry.
>
>I have 12R '00 ML but engine 3rd cylinder broken.
>
>I guess the reason was that I changed Akrapovic Evo without any fuel/ air tuning.
>
>Anyway, then I bought '01 12R ML engine only and put that engine on the '00 12R body.
>
>But the engine doesn't start. spark plug works well. gasoline runs through well.
>
>ECU and　speedometer is '00 model. only engine is '01 ML engine.
>
>What do I have to check?
>
>Thank you so much for your help in advance.
>
>Arigato.
>
>Joe
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 いわし  - 04/5/14(金) 3:28 -
  
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>日本語読めないで良くもトラブルのとこに辿り着けたね！
>もしかして日本語は読めるのかな？

韓国の人なら大抵の人が日本後ｏｋじゃないですか？？　単一言語しか通用しないのは日本だけですから。。

Good evening Mr. Joe!

I have never heard that the engine-blow was occurred by the replacement of the exhaust system without fuel-adjustment.
In addition, I don't know the person who encountered the same phenomenon that was caused by the Akra-EVO.line, such trouble has not been heard though a lot of owners are installing it.
I don’t understand well the difference of detailed specification of manufactured year.
So, let’s wait for the correct answer that is replied by the man who understands well.
However, I may be worried for a while. Did you check the state of injection well as a cause of engine-blow?
Although you said that only the #3 cylinder broke down, didn't block of fuel occur in the #3 cylinder?
I consider that the fuel of only #3 cylinder become thin extremely, and it caused engine-blow only in #3 cylinder.
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 いわし  - 04/5/14(金) 3:30 -
  
▼いわしさんwrote:に返信
>▼匿名さんwrote:に返信
>>日本語読めないで良くもトラブルのとこに辿り着けたね！
>>もしかして日本語は読めるのかな？
>
>韓国の人なら大抵の人が日本後ｏｋじゃないですか？？　単一言語しか通用しないのは日本だけですから。。
>
↑僕は日本"後"すら話せない様です。。。(T-T)
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 森野　熊三  - 04/5/14(金) 7:45 -
  
▼Joeさんwrote:に返信
　
I am busy, I think that the answer of mail is delayed regrettably.
Also, English is not skillful and please understand that Hankul alphabet word is not able to understand.　
I know that wiring differs in 00 models and 01 models.
I think that it has penetrated to the Labyrinth, in as long as I read the explanation of Mr. Joe.　
I have the parts list.　I can check the part that became a change.　
I know that the camshaft differs.　
It is because the reconstruction makes it a rule not to be possible easily.　
The change is the protrusion for the sensor that detects the ignition order of the cylinder.　
Although it is regrettable, there is not time now, although I think that there was a change part in addition it is not able to correspond.　
Is the beginning of this conversation that the engine broke?　
If it is so as for the cause the quality of gasoline might have been bad.　
As for this 12R the gasoline over 95 octanes is necessary.　
Did you exchange the engine to 01 models?　
What the smell of the gasoline does may be because the turn of the ignition is not fitting.
And is it about to change the part of the electricity system?　
I think that it may be the method that differs.　
As it is to other notes KAWASAKI of shop of I think that it is the best plan to consult.　

Thank you
Goodby
from　森野　熊三（morino kumasan)
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 Joe  - 04/5/14(金) 10:14 -
  
翻訳機が日本語ができます.

このごろ翻訳機は80%以上意味が通じます.

私は韓国語と英語だけです.

日本語が学びたくて二度三度試みました.日本の友達も多いです.

しかし平仮名と仮タカや覚えにくいです. ^^;

良い方法ありますか?
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 Joe  - 04/5/14(金) 10:23 -
  
Dear Sir,

What makes me understood Akra Evo made engine melt down is that usually thin Air/fuel ratio cause engine melt down.

I will check 3rd throttle body and injector.
Good adivce.

It's second time to see 12R engine blowing. 2years ago, One guy(I know him) had 12R oil fan area broken down.
And, he was so upset and sent engine to KHI. Then, I don't know what happened next. He didn't get back answer or the engine or new engine. Story end. He bought other bike.

Anyway, in your advice, high octane gas is a must for 12R?　in Korea, usually, 89-91 octan.

Premium gas is 95-98 octane. 15% expensive.

I haven't been heard or noted that I have to fill up high octan gas from Kawasaki dealer or importer. I also have 10R. same situation applies to this bike?

let me know your thought.


>
>Good evening Mr. Joe!
>
>I have never heard that the engine-blow was occurred by the replacement of the exhaust system without fuel-adjustment.
>In addition, I don't know the person who encountered the same phenomenon that was caused by the Akra-EVO.line, such trouble has not been heard though a lot of owners are installing it.
>I don’t understand well the difference of detailed specification of manufactured year.
>So, let’s wait for the correct answer that is replied by the man who understands well.
>However, I may be worried for a while. Did you check the state of injection well as a cause of engine-blow?
>Although you said that only the #3 cylinder broke down, didn't block of fuel occur in the #3 cylinder?
>I consider that the fuel of only #3 cylinder become thin extremely, and it caused engine-blow only in #3 cylinder.
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 みどり１２R  - 04/5/15(土) 3:13 -
  
Hi! Joe

It has never been heard that akra caused the piston melt or the engine broke down.
I think there were another reasons why that situation made, for example, the bolt of the #3 connection rod broke and it came out. You had better check those.
Or insufficient octane value might melt the piston head.
In Japan, there is the notice on the tank cover that the engine needs high octane over 95. Has not been there the sticker with which the cautions are indicated on your 12R?
I fear whether 89-91 octane was too low for your 12R to run quickly.

I hope that the problems with you would be solved soon.
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